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		<title>Second Life – A flawed masterpiece.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 07:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2012/01/15/second-life-a-flawed-masterpiece/" title="Second Life – A flawed masterpiece."></a>For the last couple of years, I&#8217;ve been involved in the virtual world of Second Life. For the most part, this has been a rewarding experience. Although I have over time become more aware of some of the flaws. It&#8217;s &#8230;<p class="read-more"><a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2012/01/15/second-life-a-flawed-masterpiece/">Read more &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2012/01/15/second-life-a-flawed-masterpiece/" title="Second Life – A flawed masterpiece."></a><p>For the last couple of years, I&#8217;ve been involved in the virtual world of Second Life. For the most part, this has been a rewarding experience. Although I have over time become more aware of some of the flaws. It&#8217;s been a disheartening thing, seeing a platform that I believe has real potential being held back by these flaws. Happily, the creators of Second Life under the guidance of Rod Humble are working to make the technology more accessible and easier to use, which is excellent news, and have plans to drive the world forward.</p>
<p>I see Second Life being used by numerous artists and other creatives. People the world over are able to tour art galleries and view works of sculpture. Further to this, Second Life makes art exhibits happen that are just not possible anywhere else. Concerts can be held and DJs can play virtual sets. I&#8217;ve listened to artists from across the world performing live from their own homes, so I know first hand that there is a live music scene in Second Life. All of this is available to you, as long as you have an internet connection. Remote location, or physical disability need present no obstacle to fulfilling Second Life.</p>
<p>Of course, my more usual field of comment is agnosticism, religion and spirituality. This area is most certainly catered for in Second Life. In my early days, I found a region called “Bodhi” which was well constructed and hid snippets of Dharma in gems around the landscape. Bodhi is now gone, to the best of my knowledge, but there are plenty of other places. The Skeptical Buddhists Sangha and Kannonji are just two such places with discussion and talks. Consulting the inworld search yields many more.  The odds are, if you enter your faith or lack thereof into Second Life search, it will be there.</p>
<p>In addition to this, there are many centres of learning, not just focussing on inworld skills but things of use outside of Second Life. You can also find support groups inworld for any number of things, and I find myself reflecting that if Second Life saves even one person through these groups. Or when it enables people to grow and reach nearer their potential through these classes, then it&#8217;s all been well worth it</p>
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		<title>The Presence of God</title>
		<link>http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2011/12/05/the-presence-of-god/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2011/12/05/the-presence-of-god/" title="The Presence of God"></a>I had a conversation in the car tonight, it got me to thinking and and I have had this at the back of my mind for a while.  It actually ties in, in a way to my punch / counterpunch &#8230;<p class="read-more"><a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2011/12/05/the-presence-of-god/">Read more &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2011/12/05/the-presence-of-god/" title="The Presence of God"></a><p>I had a conversation in the car tonight, it got me to thinking and and I have had this at the back of my mind for a while.  It actually ties in, in a way to my <a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2011/04/06/the-worlds-in-our-heads/">punch</a> / <a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2011/04/07/the-world-in-our-heads-the-counter-punch/">counterpunch</a> posts back in April and I&#8217;d like to extend the theme of those posts as I write tonight.  I said in April that we are too quick to assume a little knowledge, and then let that knowledge think itself the entire world, when this isn&#8217;t often the case.  To push this point a little more I want to directly consider the existence of God, which I&#8217;ve always tried to avoid commenting on before.</p>
<p>The existence of God is something that has been debated for thousands of years.  They were debating it when the Buddha walked the Earth, and frankly it&#8217;s not been solved since then.  This tells me that we&#8217;re talking about something that, let&#8217;s face it is likely unanswerable by mankind.  Now, this is going to be something that a lot of people on both sides of the religious fence are going to shout loudly about.  But the point stands, we just don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s said that you can&#8217;t prove a negative, this is true.  If I state that there is no God, then I am saying that I have examined every inch of the universe and found no God.  This is impossible; so, the thinking goes, we must look at probabilities.  But this in itself exposes a flaw, all of our judgements about the existence of a creator are based on our arrogant assumption that we understand the nature of that creator!  How exactly are we so sure of this?  I&#8217;ve criticised holy books at length before and will refer the reader to my articles and archive for that, but this also extends to Science; what makes you think that a divine presence in the universe would even be something we could comprehend?  Whether we choose to admit it or not, we are limited, flawed creatures.  Who is to say we would even recognise God if we saw it?</p>
<p>This is where I think Taoism has it right, the Dao is beyond our understanding and has no plan, design or preference.  We cannot grasp it with our intellect as we are limited and it, by it&#8217;s nature, encompasses the things that are both within our grasp and outside our grasp.  Whenever we try for a God or Gods, we just wind up with ourselves, writ large.  But if there is something out there, then my money is on it being something like the Dao, and not just being out there, but in here as well.</p>
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		<title>Us Through a Lens</title>
		<link>http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2011/10/18/us-through-a-lens/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 20:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2011/10/18/us-through-a-lens/" title="Us Through a Lens"></a>I had an interesting moment the other day, interesting and somewhat unsettling.  I realised that the way I was being seen by someone wasn&#8217;t the way I&#8217;d thought.  This lead me to a train of thought. We all put a &#8230;<p class="read-more"><a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2011/10/18/us-through-a-lens/">Read more &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2011/10/18/us-through-a-lens/" title="Us Through a Lens"></a><p>I had an interesting moment the other day, interesting and somewhat unsettling.  I realised that the way I was being seen by someone wasn&#8217;t the way I&#8217;d thought.  This lead me to a train of thought.</p>
<p>We all put a lot of effort into how we come across, we care how we&#8217;re seen by others.  This goes to various degrees, depending on the situation and the individual.  But at what point does this behaviour become unethical?  Is it, in spite of our best efforts, ultimately futile?</p>
<p>No matter how carefully we craft our public faces, how carefully we choose our words, they will be seen through someone else&#8217;s lens.  The persons you and I are, are the result of our lifelong Karma; choice after choice, event after event.  This is as true of the person you project to the world as it is of the person I am, as I watch your actions and hear your words.  We see each other through the lenses of our Karma.</p>
<p>Ultimately I cannot control how you see me, too much depends on the lens through which you view me.  For me to try and try, ultimately results in me taking (or trying to take) too much control over your perceptions.  Thus taking what is not freely given and violating a precept.</p>
<p>For example, I support and have written Free Software.  I do this because I wish have more control of the software that runs my computer; I wrote SitQuietly for the Linux platform because I wanted to give something back to the community, however small, for all the good their software had done me.</p>
<p>But, through someone else&#8217;s eyes, am I the enemy?  No matter how compassionate my motives and aims?  Think not? Look again&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/feb/23/opensource-intellectual-property">When using open source makes you an enemy of the state</a>.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.networkworld.com/community/node/58042">Should Open Source Be An Enemy Of The State?</a></p>
<p>My entire Karma led me to this point, if you are an intellectual property lobbyist or an advocate of certain proprietary software companies then you will quite possibly see me as the enemy.  Whether I want you to or not.  But drawing on my point above, for me to go too far in trying to change your mind isn&#8217;t just unethical, it&#8217;s unskilful.  At what point does it cause suffering for us both?  I&#8217;ll also wager the attempt will fail.  So it would seem easier for me to present myself as you find me, and simply allow you the room to make your mind up then live and let live.  No, not just better, more ethical, more skilful.</p>
<p>Interesting train of thought, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>The Worlds in Our Heads</title>
		<link>http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2011/04/06/the-worlds-in-our-heads/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 21:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2011/04/06/the-worlds-in-our-heads/" title="The Worlds in Our Heads"></a>This is where I realise, with some shamefaced embarassment, how long it&#8217;s been since my last post. I have spent some time over the last few weeks, discussing things with fellow secularists and some Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses we have the acquaintance of.  The &#8230;<p class="read-more"><a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2011/04/06/the-worlds-in-our-heads/">Read more &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2011/04/06/the-worlds-in-our-heads/" title="The Worlds in Our Heads"></a><p>This is where I realise, with some shamefaced embarassment, how long it&#8217;s been since my last post.</p>
<p>I have spent some time over the last few weeks, discussing things with fellow secularists and some Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses we have the acquaintance of.  The discussions are relating to God, Creationism and Evolution; the usual, in other words.  I do try to keep things as polite and civil as I can, I try to make my points gently and without causing offence.  But I do begin to understand why many secular people get frustrated when dealing with true believers, so I&#8217;d like to open the can of worms here; at least part of the way.</p>
<p>I write from the perspective of a Secular Buddhist, and my understanding is this.  Our problems stem from the fact we do not see clearly. We clutch after things we believe are solid and permanent without realising that they are changing and impermanent, our illusions blind us to the basic impermanence of the world and also of ourselves.  This is why you&#8217;ll sometimes hear Buddhists referred to as believing the world is an illusion, that&#8217;s because the world most of us inhabit is; it&#8217;s an illusion that exists only in our minds.  The trouble starts when we respond to this illusion as if it were concrete reality, then we start storing up trouble for the future (think Karma).  There&#8217;s a lot more I could say, but I&#8217;ll save it for another time.  Believe it or not, I&#8217;ve expressed the above to an Anglican and a Jehovah&#8217;s Witness and both have agreed with the sentiment that responding to our illusions as if they were real is nothing but trouble.  I can&#8217;t imagine that either would agree with what I have to say next.</p>
<p>When expressing ideas to believers, I&#8217;ve found that no matter how well you put things or how you back things up with proof, there is a wall.  You can get so far, then you&#8217;re up against faith and you can get no further.  From what I can see, the whole position of &#8216;supernatural&#8217; religions would seem to be exactly the problem I describe in my last paragraph; they have their beliefs from their book and regardless of the evidence will stick to those beliefs with varying degrees of rigidity.</p>
<p>The level of intellectual evasion can be quite breathtaking at times.  I&#8217;ve seen false dichotomies and strawman arguments presented confidently as fact in articles sourced from around the Internet and thought &#8220;Why?&#8221;, &#8220;Why distort things like this, when it undermines everything you&#8217;re trying to do?&#8221;  I can understand defending a cherished belief, I can genuinely empathise, but if you can&#8217;t defend it honestly then why is it worth defending at all?</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s when I see believers taking these things and accepting them as accurate logic without a peep, not even a murmur; when I start to realise how many people are doing this, and not bringing even a shred of critical thought to bear on these things, it&#8217;s then that I start to get a glimpse of the sheer enormity of what the Buddha meant.</p>
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		<title>The Importance of Withdrawal</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2010/11/23/the-importance-of-withdrawal/" title="The Importance of Withdrawal"></a>I invested in an Amazon Kindle a few weeks ago, it&#8217;s certainly been a good choice and I have rediscovered the pleasure of reading through it.  It allows me to carry a large library of books with me, and the &#8230;<p class="read-more"><a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2010/11/23/the-importance-of-withdrawal/">Read more &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2010/11/23/the-importance-of-withdrawal/" title="The Importance of Withdrawal"></a><p>I invested in an Amazon Kindle a few weeks ago, it&#8217;s certainly been a good choice and I have rediscovered the pleasure of reading through it.  It allows me to carry a large library of books with me, and the screen is every bit as good as they claim it to be.  I can recommend the <a href="http://calibre-ebook.com/">Free Software ebook manager called &#8220;Calibre&#8221;</a> for use with it, as it allows easy conversion of ebooks between all sorts of formats.  It also allows the downloading of RSS feeds and will collate these feeds into a book for you.  I consider this to be a killer feature, absolutely brilliant!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve started reading my feeds on the Kindle and have discovered that it makes reading them much easier than on a computer screen.  I pondered why, aside from the better Kindle screen, this should be.  Then I realised that it&#8217;s the fact that the Kindle does one thing, and one thing only, it reads books.  As someone who owns a smartphone with various communications options on it and has numerous little programs that can chime in and demand attention on his PC, I have been finding it very difficult to focus.  Not only to read but to write and to create.</p>
<p>This chimed in with something that the tutor said at the Buddhist Vihara last week; the necessity of withdrawal, of shutting out the world and getting some time and space to focus.  We withdraw to create a place that is sacred and spiritual and that is peaceful, that is not of the everyday world.  Yet, what is the place we go when we read; when we really engage with a good book, is that place entirely of this world?  I realised that this is why Kindle makes it easier to read, there are no interruptions and no possibility of such things.  If I read on my phone, I can be texted, IMed, Facebook messaged, emailed, or (looks shocked) &#8230;. phoned!  Throw in all the little toy apps that you can get and what chance is there of any peace?</p>
<p>It seems to me that these things take the control of our time away from us, it seems that we are interrupted at a whim and a response is demanded there and then.  But where is the control in that?  There are our devices, our tools, yet we seem to jump to their tune.  This makes time away even more vital than it ever has been and it it makes me question whether all of the advances in our communications abilities are necessarily for the better.</p>
<p>As a self confessed geek, this is a strange place to be it seems.  Am I taking an anti technology stance here?  No.  I am advocating a measure of moderation and also a realization that we don&#8217;t need to be plugged in all the time.  I started reading my news and my blogs on a daily ebook rather than as they come in, and if anything it improved matters.  By taking these things and making a specific time and place for them, it seems to unchoke everything else.</p>
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		<title>An afternoon out</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2010/10/19/an-afternoon-out/" title="An afternoon out"></a>On Sunday I paid a local Theravada temple in Birmingham a visit.  My practise has been done virtually till now and I felt it was time to take the next step.  The lady I was talking to was cheerful, energetic &#8230;<p class="read-more"><a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2010/10/19/an-afternoon-out/">Read more &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2010/10/19/an-afternoon-out/" title="An afternoon out"></a><p>On Sunday I paid a local <a href="http://www.bbvt.org.uk/">Theravada temple in Birmingham</a> a visit.  My practise has been done virtually till now and I felt it was time to take the next step.  The lady I was talking to was cheerful, energetic and happy and helpful and was at pains to explain impermanence and the view that Buddhism is psychology.  As a trained psychiatric nurse, she could get right behind this and I hope I get the chance to talk to her in more depth about it.</p>
<p>I listened and took this chance to reboot my understanding, it&#8217;s so good to come to things with a beginners mind again.  We get so wrapped up in knowing this and that, with how much we know and understand, we wrap our understanding round us like armour.  No wonder we get upset when it&#8217;s challenged.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s this sort of thing that moved me away from the local skeptical community, I was all ready to start going to meetings, but on closer inspection and reading of blogs it all started to taste a bit sour.  I started to get the distinct feeling that the point is to be seen to be right, I felt that I saw a lot of ego and little desire to understand.  There was no empathy.  One day I&#8217;ll expand on this in more depth, but not right now.</p>
<p>So, I had a nice afternoon and also got to try a Tibetan Prayer Wheel for the first time.  Let&#8217;s see where this new chapter leads&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>Why I am an Agnostic</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2010/09/21/why-i-am-an-agnostic/" title="Why I am an Agnostic"></a>When the Pope left the UK yesterday, our Prime Minister said that he&#8217;d given us something to think about.  I agree, for me, the visit has caused me to reflect on my Buddhist flavoured Agnosticism.  I&#8217;ve spent quite some time &#8230;<p class="read-more"><a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2010/09/21/why-i-am-an-agnostic/">Read more &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2010/09/21/why-i-am-an-agnostic/" title="Why I am an Agnostic"></a><p>When the Pope left the UK yesterday, our Prime Minister said that he&#8217;d given us something to think about.  I agree, for me, the visit has caused me to reflect on my Buddhist flavoured Agnosticism.  I&#8217;ve spent quite some time and word count exploring why I&#8217;m not a Theist.  But, why am I not an Atheist, why Agnostic?</p>
<p>I have read the various arguments to and fro between Theists and Atheists, Evolutionists and Creationists.  I&#8217;ve seen seen lots of pointless name calling, misquoting and other tactics and I&#8217;ve started to think it all reeks a little of the school playground.  Everyone is so sure that they know for sure what&#8217;s right, so willing to shout about it, so unwilling to accept that they might be wrong. But once you dig into that conceptual certainty, it runs out pretty quickly.</p>
<p>How do I know this?  For my answer, I invite you to try this meditation I learned in Second Life, this is something you probably think you know pretty well.  You might need a mirror for this.</p>
<p>Sit, relax. Look at your face in the mirror, or visualise it.  Ask the question &#8220;Who is this?&#8221;  Once you answer, keep the answer in mind and, of that answer, ask again &#8220;Who is this?&#8221;  Usually the answers run out fairly quickly, in the meditation group I was part of, we either went in circles or ran out of answers quickly.  Don&#8217;t question aggressively, be gentle.  This is an enquiry, not an interrogation.</p>
<p>In Buddhism, this meditation reminds us of the fiction of the self.  As soon as you try to grasp it, it slips away.  But you could just as easily hold a concept or object in your mind.</p>
<p>This would bring you to the chief reason for my agnosticism, the limits of the human knowledge.  We like to ignore this and pretend anything is knowable, but that just isn&#8217;t the case, we are limited beings.  Frankly, there is enough written in the Tao Te Ching to suggest Agnosticism and I have touched on the Buddhist case for this previously.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not the only one to accept this, and I&#8217;ll finish my thoughts so far on this with a quote from Thomas Henry Huxley, the man who coined the term &#8220;Agnostic&#8221;.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I neither affirm nor deny the immortality of man. I see no reason for believing it, but, on the other hand, I have no means of disproving it. I have no a priori objections to the doctrine. No man who has to deal daily and hourly with nature can trouble himself about a priori  difficulties. Give me such evidence as would justify me in believing in anything else, and I will believe that. Why should I not? It is not half so wonderful as the conservation of force or the indestructibility of matter&#8230;</p>
<p>It is no use to talk to me of analogies and probabilities. I know what I mean when I say I believe in the law of the inverse squares, and I will not rest my life and my hopes upon weaker convictions&#8230;</p>
<p>That my personality is the surest thing I know may be true. But the attempt to conceive what it is leads me into mere verbal subtleties. I have champed up all that chaff about the ego and the non-ego, noumena and phenomena, and all the rest of it, too often not to know that in attempting even to think of these questions, the human intellect flounders at once out of its depth.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll revisit a couple of things I said here in more detail another time.</p>
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		<title>Spirituality and Religion</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2009/11/09/spirituality-and-religion-2/" title="Spirituality and Religion"></a>Quite some time ago (in 2006 in fact), I commented on the difference between Spirituality and Religion.  Over time I&#8217;ve stuck to my guns, that they are NOT the same thing, and I&#8217;ve seen a few comments around the place &#8230;<p class="read-more"><a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2009/11/09/spirituality-and-religion-2/">Read more &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2009/11/09/spirituality-and-religion-2/" title="Spirituality and Religion"></a><p>Quite some time ago (in 2006 in fact), I commented on the difference between Spirituality and Religion.  Over time I&#8217;ve stuck to my guns, that they are NOT the same thing, and I&#8217;ve seen a few comments around the place that have made me want to revisit this old territory for a quick post.</p>
<p>I like to define Spirituality as a  sense of that which is common between us, regardless of Religion; that we are not islands in the world and that we are not separate from, but intertwined with the world around us.  It provides a sense of the sacred in the world, that some  things go beyond our materialism, and that we should look beyond the daily grind and the &#8220;rat race&#8221;.</p>
<p>Some of what I just said can be said of what it though of as Religion.  I think that Religion is a set of rites, rituals and  customs that sit on top of Spirituality, that provide more of a framework and structure.  To a degree this is needed, I don&#8217;t argue that point, but it is not a good thing it it should grow to stifle things.</p>
<p>The comment that spurred me to write this was that if you have Spirituality without Religion you just have a vague feeling of goodwill, in my view, that isn&#8217;t accurate and is quite derisive.  I&#8217;ve come to realise more and more over time that there&#8217;s a lot more to a simple Spirituality then a vague feeling of good will, it seems to be a much more intuitive thing and it also seems more feminine to my sense of it.  As any Taoist or Zen Buddhist will tell you there is a thing that can be dimly sensed that is beyond being articulated in words, that can only be glimpsed intuitively and can&#8217;t be grasped by reason as is the case with the scriptures of a by the book religion.  Further to this, you must do the glimpsing yourself, a priest cannot do the work for you, you must work to your own salvation!</p>
<p>To try to bind it in scriptures is (as Alan Watts so brilliantly said) to walk into the restaurant and eat the menu instead of the meal.  My own conclusion that has been spurred by the comment I read, is that Spirituality  without religion is quite valid if difficult to grasp and also not so easy to fit into neat categories with names.  It can live without overt Religiousness quite happily.   Religion without Spirituality on the other hand is  doomed from the outset.  It would seem to me to be a set of scriptures and rules and rituals that have had the original point somehow lost along the way, if this is the case, then is religion without  spirituality a hollow soulless shell?</p>
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		<title>Concluding my revisit of Christianity</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2009/09/16/concluding-my-revisit-of-christianity/" title="Concluding my revisit of Christianity"></a>Well, if you look back a few posts, you&#8217;ll find that I felt compelled to invesitgate my home team; the Anglican Church.  It was a well meaning enough idea, I felt moved to reinvestigate them, to see if I&#8217;d missed &#8230;<p class="read-more"><a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2009/09/16/concluding-my-revisit-of-christianity/">Read more &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2009/09/16/concluding-my-revisit-of-christianity/" title="Concluding my revisit of Christianity"></a><p>Well, if you look back a few posts, you&#8217;ll find that I felt compelled to invesitgate my home team; the Anglican Church.  It was a well meaning enough idea, I felt moved to reinvestigate them, to see if I&#8217;d missed something and dismissed them too hastily, all those years ago.</p>
<p>So I bought a copy of a NIV bible and a book on the history of the gospels, also a book on the history of the God belief and it&#8217;s interpretation[2].  Well, the bible is an interesting read, I found myself pointing out a problem before we&#8217;d left the Creation, and as for the flood and the whole Sodom &amp; Gomorrah thing, well others have covered the <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html">Noah&#8217;s Ark story</a> in more detail than I ever could.  S&amp;G was just mishandled full stop, at least to my mind.</p>
<p>I fast forward to the New Testament and find myself perplexed by the differences in the Gospels, yes I appreciate they were written by different men for differing audiences, but there are problems that go beyond that.  Inconsistent reporting is the most outstanding, but that is something I can&#8217;t really overlook in a text that makes the claims this book does.</p>
<p>Then I wander through some sites and find that nobody agrees on the interpretation, some very literalistic (see my essays for my views on that) and some very liberal but nothing that really solves the issues I see.</p>
<p>So I revisited arguments, religious apologetics vs skeptics, I found that things haven&#8217;t really changed.  To be honest, I got heartily sick of debates where nobody really manages to resolve anything honestly.  All I saw were arguments full of smokes and mirrors obscuring tactics, which made me ask &#8216;If you religious apologetics can&#8217;t even discuss this on the level, is it even worth bothering with at all?&#8217;, I appreciate that everyone does it (even inadvertently) from time to time, but there is so damn much of it in what I was reading that it made me sick to the depths of my mind.</p>
<p>That was what did finally it, I have what I consider legitimate criticisms of organised dogmatic Christianity and couldn&#8217;t find a straight externally verifiable (i.e. not circular logic) answer that didn&#8217;t shoot at least some of the bottom layer of cards out from under the whole edifice.  All the answers I could come up with that worked left me with a thing that wasn&#8217;t much of anything (no omnipotent interventionist creator, no legitimate ancient dogma, etc) and I realise now I was applying the valuable lessons I learned from reading the <a href="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/soma/wheel008.html">Kalama Sutta</a>.</p>
<p>Eventually, I realised I was reading the Bible as a Skeptical Buddhist, which kind of resolved things for me.  Things were finally sealed by my learning about the <a href="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/perera/wheel100.html#sect-43">Panadura Debate</a> (or Panadura Controversy) in Sri Lanka.  An exact transcript of this doesn&#8217;t exist as far as I know, but I have searched and found a<a href="http://www.indoforum.org/archive/index.php/t-65469.html"> commented summary</a> of it gleaned via an Internet forum.</p>
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		<title>Hereditary Guilt</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2009/08/31/hereditary-guilt/" title="Hereditary Guilt"></a>I&#8217;ve been keeping an eye on the growing campaign for the British government to apologise for the treatment of Alan Turing. I support this campaign, and have already signed the petition linked to above. But it&#8217;s not just because I &#8230;<p class="read-more"><a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2009/08/31/hereditary-guilt/">Read more &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://quietwatercourse.co.uk/2009/08/31/hereditary-guilt/" title="Hereditary Guilt"></a><p>I&#8217;ve been keeping an eye on the growing <a href="http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/turing/#detail">campaign for the British government to apologise for the treatment of Alan Turing</a>.</p>
<p>I support this campaign, and have already signed the petition linked to above. But it&#8217;s not just because I think Turing was treated abysmally badly, but also because I think we still harbour the sort of tendencies that led to Turing&#8217;s treatment and that needs to be highlighted.  We need to stop writing people off because of one bad thing, it seems that as soon as we realise that they&#8217;re not perfect there&#8217;s hell to pay, our treatment of high profile media figures is a perfect example of this.  Lao Tzu, Buddha and Jesus all warn us away from this behaviour, and while I&#8217;m not sure what Psychology has to say on the matter I can&#8217;t see it being particularly favourable.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s been equally interesting is comments I&#8217;ve been reading on the story, the feeling that maybe the British should apologise for everything from the Empire onwards.  Of course, if that sort of thing is acceptable, then the old colonial powers (yes, all of them, it wasn&#8217;t just us Brits) will be apologising for the next hundred years!</p>
<p>But the point I&#8217;d like to make is that the current generation can&#8217;t be held responsible for things that were done by past generations, I appreciate that people are hurt or national pride (and I think that this is mostly pride) has been injured, but once reasonable amends have been made (like the symbolic apology above) we need to move on and drop the blame game.</p>
<p>Of course, this failure to forgive grudges is mirrored in the doctrine of original sin.  I&#8217;ve been reading about the history of both the middle eastern religious movement and also the Bible, and it&#8217;s fascinating to see how the way the people have regarded the text has changed and to be honest, it tells you more about people than it does about God.</p>
<p>As for original sin, there are questions over how literally the story of the Garden of Eden was intended to taken, with the strong possibility that it was never intended (as with much of scripture) to be read literally.  My own feeling is that it is not.</p>
<p>The doctrine was heavily influenced, but not originated, by St Augustine of Hippo, the idea being that Adam&#8217;s sin is passed down to all of his descendants.  Now quite aside from the fact that several churches disagree with this doctrine, there is another problem.</p>
<p>Consider that our reasoning powers, the ability to have the kind of awareness we do, are evolved right there into our nature.  This would put that doctrine in the position of condemning a person simply for being Human, so along comes the Church with the cure.  Nice setup isn&#8217;t it?  I&#8217;ll also point out right here though that not all churches accept original sin, I don&#8217;t believe in tarring everyone with the same brush.</p>
<p>But, let&#8217;s face it, Evolution does rather torpedo the Eden story and with it original sin.  I prefer another reading of it, which is that the great weight and inertia of human history, culture and society have combined to put us in a position where we often fall short.  This sounds very much like Karma and is also the position of many Orthodox Churches.</p>
<p>To summarise?  We need to stop writing people off for not being perfect and once people and countries have apologised, stop guilt tripping them indefinitely.  Finally we need to realise that the sins of the fathers do not fall onto the shoulders of their sons.  If we&#8217;re to have a healthy future, we have to let go of things.</p>
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